diff --git a/src/api/core/organizations.rs b/src/api/core/organizations.rs
index 0213a006..385efe32 100644
--- a/src/api/core/organizations.rs
+++ b/src/api/core/organizations.rs
@@ -485,6 +485,10 @@ async fn post_organization_collections(
         err!("Can't find organization details")
     };
 
+    if headers.membership.atype == MembershipType::Manager && !headers.membership.access_all {
+        err!("You don't have permission to create collections")
+    }
+
     let collection = Collection::new(org.uuid, data.name, data.external_id);
     collection.save(&conn).await?;
 
@@ -525,10 +529,6 @@ async fn post_organization_collections(
         .await?;
     }
 
-    if headers.membership.atype == MembershipType::Manager && !headers.membership.access_all {
-        CollectionUser::save(&headers.membership.user_uuid, &collection.uuid, false, false, false, &conn).await?;
-    }
-
     Ok(Json(collection.to_json_details(&headers.membership.user_uuid, None, &conn).await))
 }
 
diff --git a/src/db/models/organization.rs b/src/db/models/organization.rs
index 0b722ef6..e24ad85a 100644
--- a/src/db/models/organization.rs
+++ b/src/db/models/organization.rs
@@ -514,7 +514,8 @@ impl Membership {
             "familySponsorshipValidUntil": null,
             "familySponsorshipToDelete": null,
             "accessSecretsManager": false,
-            "limitCollectionCreation": self.atype < MembershipType::Manager, // If less then a manager return true, to limit collection creations
+            // limit collection creation to managers with access_all permission to prevent issues
+            "limitCollectionCreation": self.atype < MembershipType::Manager || !self.access_all,
             "limitCollectionDeletion": true,
             "limitItemDeletion": false,
             "allowAdminAccessToAllCollectionItems": true,